Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

mgawat

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This week I was forced to extensively troubleshoot numerous electrical problems in a 1994 I just picked up. This gave me the excuser to road map the electrical system. In this process, I discovered (Fancy name) for an optional way to hook-up HID's that does not involve tearing the steering column apart or disconnecting any wires from the message center. If there is any interest, I will be happy to post the procedure.
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

LETS SEE IT !!! If it is easy i'm damn tired of that check ext lights messege. :eek:
 
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LETS SEE IT !!! If it is easy i'm damn tired of that check ext lights messege. :eek:
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put a resistor in-line and be done with it. EASY !!! and no begging needed !!!
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

theres also a yellow wire i believe that you can take out behind the glove box.
 
Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

Okay, In my professional opinion, there are two basic problems with the HID install that need to be addressed.
1. Too high of a draw on headlight switch resulting in overheating and eventual burn out of switch and harness.
2. HID's are High Intensity Dscharge Lights which require converting 12v to hi voltage (Ballast) to power the lights. HID's are not designed for rapid on/off due to heat resistance characteristics of the actual filament in the bulb. This is the reason why the other instructions talk about splicing the FTp switch to ensure the low beams (HID) stay on when activating the high beams (UNlike factory design).
The first problem requires a 12v normally open relay (headlight relay) to solve the problem. This is talked about in the directions. I highly recommend such a relay. I personally ran two different feeds (both 20 v fused) to 2 seperate relays (one for each HID low beam) utilizing the Factory low beam supply to activate the relay. No surprises hefre...this is talked about in the directions.
Now, here's the difference.Simply install a second cube relay (normally open) relay that activates off the high beam line and transfers the same 20 amp seperate feeder to feed the low beams when the high beams come on for any reason. The normally open contacts of the low beam will open when you turn on the high beams (factory design) but the second relay wil instantneously open to continue to provide power to the the low beams. I cannot notice any hesitation (voltage drop) when switching back and forth. The message board still thinks everything is fine because none of the supply voltage to the HID's ever makes it's way back on the factory wiring and the resistance of the relay coils seem to satisfy the message board that there is no open in the line (burned out light) so it functions normally. Give it a try. I've just done two of them this way in the last week with great results. It does take time to do a good job and properly solder all connections, insulate, heat shrink, wire loom, and properly support all associated wiring but what doesn't take time on a Mark VIII. Good Luck


Lastly, I am a new member and unsure of what has and what has not been discussed previously and I would rather ask first is there is a need for my opinion (professional or otherwise) before 'stepping on people's toes'. Thus I wasn't looking for 'begging' but just if there was interst in this method.
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

HIDs pull less power than the halogen bulbs. This is why the message center thinks a bulb is burnt out.

The message center can be fixed through the use of a resistor, or two, to load down the power leads to fool the message center computer into thinking that there are still filament lamps connected.

True, HIDs do not like being “flashed” on and off. Doing the Abel mode on the switch allows the high beams to turn on without turning off the low beams. I've been running a jumper switch for almost 5 years and have not had any problems. No relays needed.

An HID lamp uses an electrical arc to generate light. Not a filament.

I’ll see if I can find the link to the message center fix. It may be on the other site, thinking about it....
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

ture, HID's use excited gas to produce the light but works alot like a filament once it is excited. I believe the type of HID's these are are Mercury Vapor judging by the color it produces. Heat again is the real issue of the gas due to it's conductive charateristics. Again, I didn't want this turning into a technical slug fest which is why I was initially very reluctant to post on this forum. However, in the intefrest of trying to help people out and not get into too technical a scenario, I told people that indeed I have found an easier way to do this in my opinion that does not involve tearing the steering column apart or disconnecting wires from the message baord.
The only issue I haven't talked about is the FTP mode. Utilyzing just the methoid I discussed will have both the low and high beam coming on when the FTP feature is activated. I personally don't think that is a big deal because most of the issues I have run into over the years with mercury vapors is when you turn the lights on...off...and then on again in a very short period of time. However. one more normally open relay (and yes I would much rather run relays than back feed wires) hooked off your parking lights will solve that problem.
Personally, I feel that forums run much better when everyone remembers the main reason for them, to help out fellow Lincoln owners not demonstrate one's ego.:+
 
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lastly, as my first post says this is an OPTIONAL way to do it without claiming to be the BEST way (except for me)> The electrical load I'm taking about on the headlight circuit is both with the regular 55watt halogens or without them. It is just to much for the under sized wiring gauges Ford uses to the switch and harness (in my experience and opinion). By removing the low-beam wattage from the circuit (halogens or HID's), one has dropped the load considerably asnd will therefore produce less heat deterioation on the entire system. Just my thoughts and, of course, I welcome yours.}(

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RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

Here is the post, minus pictures:


Ok, it looks like I may have finally stopped the first generation computer from whining about HID lights. I installed the Abel shunt and the following computer fix in both HOTLNC and Theologian’s car. So far, with about 20 car-nights of running, there have been NO computer complaints.

The parts:
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The parts are fairly common except for the power resistors. These resistors are from Allied electronics, stock number 795-0322. They are ARCOL brand and the ARCOL part number is HS25-7.5. Any other brand (Dale, etc) of resistor would work, but they MUST be 7.5 ohm, 25 watt, “chassis mount” resistors.

The wire is 16 to 18 gauge wire, automotive grade. The black rod above is heat shrink tubing. Radio Shack sells the heat sink grease for $1.99 (catalog number 276-1372.) I’m running one resistor without and the other with the grease. I have not found any heat related problems with the resistor that is running without the heat sink grease. The metal-to-metal contact is good and resistor heat is passing to the car’s frame efficiently.

Installation:
To install the fix, pre-solder a foot of wire to each resistor terminal. Use shrink tubing to insulate one or both solder connections. Find a position under the lamp access doors that has a flat, smooth area on the metal cross member of the car. You will be mounting the resistors on a vertical surface. There should be enough wire on the resistors to stretch between the mounted resistors and the LOW beam lamp connections on either side. This is where you connected the input power cable for the HID ballast. Connect the terminal with the heat shrink insulation to the RED lead. Connect the un-insulated resistor wire to the black lead. I made the connection with twist caps – the kind that electricians use to connect ceiling fans and electrical outlets. You can use in-line splices, since you will not need to disconnect the connections.

Position the resistors under the door and against the metal rail. Make sure you will be able to close the door (hatch) with the resistor mounted. Mark holes for the resistor. Drill holes for whatever sheet metal screw you use. You make have to ream out the resistor mounting holes to fit the screws. If you have to do this, only one screw need be used per resistor. You will want a firm connection between the rail and the resistor – especially if you do not use heat sink grease. These resistors get too hot to hold your finger on it for any length of time. Theologian complains that we mounted one resistor too close to his outside sensor – the outside temperature now reads about 2 degrees higher when the lights are on! Opps!

The picture below shows a bead of heat sink grease applied to the resistor just prior to mounting the resistor to the rail.
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The picture below shows the mounted resistor.
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Notice here that the heat shrink tubing is only on the HOT side of the resistor (connected to the RED light bulb wire.) Since the other side (with the purple wire) is ground, it can touch metal and there would be no problem. Not true on the green wire side – I would blow my headlamp fuse! The split jacket where the wires are going in is the feed cable for the HID ballast. I just added the resistor wires to the jacket and taped it closed.


The math behind the “fix:”
Second generation cars uses a shunt to determine if there is a problem with the HID lamps. This shunt has a higher resistance than the shunt used in a first generation car. This higher value is needed because the HIDs pull a lower average amount of current than the halogen bulb. Ed98Mark looked up the values for me and he supplied me with the following:

First generation Halogen system uses an 0.0500 +/- 0.0029 ohm shunt
Second generation HID system uses an 0.0778 +/- 0.0028 ohm shunt.

Assuming a 60 watt halogen bulb, each bulb would pull 60/12Volts = 5 amps. For two bulbs, that is 10 amps through the shunt: 0.05 times 10 amps = 0.5 volts. The shunt drops ½ volts, which tell the first generation computer that both lamps are OK.

The second generation computers will more than likely keep that same ½ volt drop as the “good level.” This is an assumption that seems to have panned out. Now we can calculate the HID total current, using the above as a known fact: 0.5V/0.0778 ohms = 6.43 amps. HIDs pull slightly over 64% of halogen lamp total current. When this current flows through the first generation shunts, the computer measures only 0.322 volts, so it whines about a lamp being out.

The Fix:
Make the first generation computer think that there are still two operating halogen lamps instead of the brighter HID lamps.

To do this, we must add a “fake lamp.” To drop ½ volt on a first generation shunt, we will need 10 amps going through it. If the HIDs is supplying 6.43 amps, all we need to do is select a load that pulls the remaining 3.6 amps. A 7.5 ohm resistor will pull 1.6 amps. Two of them in parallel will pull 3.2 amps. That is close enough to our required 3.6 amps to try them. Each resistor will dissipate slightly over 19 watts at 12 volts. The actual voltage getting to the resistor will be less than 12 volts, due to the shunt and wire losses.
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

very interesting...I have not yet noticed any problems with my message center but maybe I'm in for this down the line.
 
RE: Electrician has optional way to hook up HID's for Gen 1

It will be very interesting. Dennis suggest light bulbs instead of resistors.
 
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