Procharger install pics.

Radiator cutting....

Radiator cutting....

Had to slice out the bottom of radiator mounting floor. It will be moved down 2-3" when i get my 90 degree brackets welded onto the plate. Then ill bolt it to the existing wall i didnt cut out, just lower and angled to engine more at bottom with top tilted twords front of car.
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Cleaning up the radiator section. Plenty of room now to lwer floor of radiator.
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Finally, the air intake box hole. I will probably be putting conical on the right side where battery is. I will make a nice plate to cover this area with intake hose comming up out of rubber gromet from front of nose.

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I hate to butt in on all of the fun here, but I had a few quick questions about prochargers vs supercharges on Mark VIIIs, and I figured who better to ask then you guys?

1. For ease of installation, which would be better? (ease of installation includes number of, and skill required for, additional mods to accompany the charger)

2. Which gives better power gains?

This kind of goes along with number 1, but...
3. For someone who has no mechanical experience such as myself, if I had the proper tools, proper instructions, and took my time, would I be able to do it myself? What about with the help of a retired expert mechanic who might be out-of-tune when it comes to these "new-fangled" cars, but would know what he's doing under the hood moreso than I do?

This also kind of goes along with number 1, but...
4. Assuming the answer to number 3 (both parts) is no, what kind of rates (ballpark) could I expect to be charged by a skilled mechanic for the installation of either?

And finally, to sum it all up, which would y'all recommend?

And I'm sorry for stealing the spotlight. ;) Also sorry for not being able to contribute anything to the topic at hand, but I'm kind of lost looking at those pictures. *sheepish smile*
 
Sure you can do it.

Sure you can do it.

There are a number of installer shops and vendors for the Vortech kit that is already made for the Mark VIII. Instructions are good for the Procharger, but problem is they dont make a kit for the Mark VIII so that is why i have to make all this custom, and get brackets and such made up to fit it. (Also i am running an air to air intercooler and most kits come with just supercharger, so i had to "cut and make it fit" mine).

There is a whole different thread on the pros and cons of each along with some cool flame wars to read on different websites and some copy and pasted around. Centifigual V.S twin screw V.S turbo. I wanted to go with a twinscrew Kenne Bell that has more bottom end instant power, but cost went out of budget. I'll just upgrade my stall convertor higher and have the best of both worlds and stay in powerband. Centifigals and turbos won't make alot of power till they spool up compared to a twinscrew, so you have to run a higher stall convertor.

Ease of installation is easy. Just follow the directions with normal sockets and wrenches, and anyone can do it taking your time and doing one step at a time. If you can change your oil, you can install a kit. You just have to move stuff out of the way which takes more time is all. Then find a great tuner,have it tuned, and beat the snot out of it. (crosses fingers) :wink:
 
Yeah, that's one thing that I had heard (that Vortech makes superchargers already fitted for a Mark VIII), but I can't find any online. I'm glad to hear, though, that it's something I can install myself. That'll probably shave $1000+ off of my costs. haha
 
Added post for missed sentance.

Added post for missed sentance.

This kind of goes along with number 1, but...
3. For someone who has no mechanical experience such as myself, if I had the proper tools, proper instructions, and took my time, would I be able to do it myself? What about with the help of a retired expert mechanic who might be out-of-tune when it comes to these "new-fangled" cars, but would know what he's doing under the hood moreso than I do?




I say go for it. (especially with an expert mechanic to help) The worst you can do is get it apart and run into a brick wall. Then just ask for help. Parts are parts, what comes apart, can be put back together. There are a ton off good people on this board and other mustang/T-bird sites that are way more knowledgeable than me. Believe me, I've learned alot from all of them and made alot of friends in the process.

Never say "I cant" do something and accept defeat before you even start. Do it as far as you can with proper tools and safety measures, and if you get stuck, post a pic and ask for help. Just don't do it if its your daily driver as you will be under alot of stress of getting it all running again to goto work with.
Do some shopping around with a new thread asking for installers on alot of sites and they will send you mail to get your buisness. I hope this helps a little. :)
 
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I kind of figured that it would be something I could do, but I just wasn't sure how in-depth it might be. And unfortunately it is my daily driver... but on the other hand, I do have a motorcycle sitting in my garage (and a license, mind you), so all is not lost. I'll just wait until early next spring to do it so I won't mind riding the bike all the time. haha

Thanks for the kind and inspiring words, too. I knew it was a good idea to join this forum. :)
 
Had to do some more trimming...

Had to do some more trimming...

Made some more room cutting off front lip of condenser and radiator horizontal pillar. I'll gain 2" at the other fan side facing charger, with the tilt i'm going to have. Sorry about the dusty pics. I guess i should of opened the garage door before the sparks started flying. haha http://
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Tommorow morning ill shop vac everything clean, and hit it with the black rattle can. Then onto locating and drilling the holes for my bolts that will hold the lowered radiator and fan supports.
 
I have a new slot type MAF sensor that is based off the same ones used in all the 05 and new vehicles. It's electronics have been changed so it can be used in high hp applications. The stock 05 GT sensor will peg in your setup in both draw and blow through.
 
Sierra3 said:
Centifigals and turbos won't make alot of power till they spool up compared to a twinscrew, so you have to run a higher stall convertor.
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I read that BMW or Audi (can't remember) came out with a turbo containing a variable "iris" so that the turbo is always spooled up and running at maximum power no matter what rpms you are at.

This would make turbos king of the forced-induction "mountain"...
 
You need some help this weekend or is it time for a test and tune? Let me know I'll get some Mark VIII's up there to spread the love! lol Gonna be pretty sick seeing it go down the track for the first time. I need to remember my camera.

Got the drilled/slotted rotors and some AZA Forged rims on my car...what a PITA! Glad its done though.

CYA
 
Whoo doggie im busy this week... lol

Whoo doggie im busy this week... lol

iowncars said:
You need some help this weekend or is it time for a test and tune? Let me know I'll get some Mark VIII's up there to spread the love! lol Gonna be pretty sick seeing it go down the track for the first time. I need to remember my camera.

Got the drilled/slotted rotors and some AZA Forged rims on my car...what a PITA! Glad its done though.

CYA
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Nope, still have work to do on it. Today i just sold the blue 1500 chev truck. Ill have to goto Texas to get the new trailer and then grab an elcamino and a surburban there in New Mexico and haul it back to FL for a friend here. I'll be working on the mark some more this weekend. When i get the radiator in and grill buttoned up ill take some more pics. And take the car to drop it off at Lonnies for him to work his magic.

Yes, Lonnie ill be switching over to your "Slot type" MAF of the new stang version. Ill let you nknow on phone when im heading down there or call you back tonight.
Jeff
 
A Little farther along..

A Little farther along..

Got all the inside goodies in the nose. Almost forgot the winshield washer container. haha mann i would of been mad to have to take it all apart again to insert that thing. Ill put on the intercooler tommorow now that all the inside fronts are in and on. I took some more material off the fiberglass centersection to make room for the tranny cooler and mounted it halfway up. Air will go over top,through, and underneath from the exhaust of the intercooler. I made two 90 degree brackets and bolted the tranny cooler parrallel to the AC condenser. It fit in there perfect like it was made to be once you removed more material from the fiberglass center headlight section. http://]
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Whoo hoo! Thanks UPS man!

Whoo hoo! Thanks UPS man!

driller said:
tick tock

tick tock

tick tock

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haha I know JP...times a wastin. :) http://
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These tabs need to be ground off

These tabs need to be ground off

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After taking care to tape off the intake (ill plug the fuel injection holes with the old injectors, these tabs need to be sliced off a little to let the rails sit properly). I tried them backwards,frontwards, switched sides, and came to the conclusion that they need to be ground off a little so the rails sit perfectly vertical for good seal against the injectors.
The Aeromotive rails use the vertical lower intake bolts and brackets for mounting, whereas the old Mustang and Lincoln used the horizontal side bolts. Gotta be done tommorow, my back is kilin me from leaning over and rerouting the wiring harness to my liking.
This spaghetti that was all in one harness, i separated into the fuel injectors only harness,front right things and coil pack, and one harness for the front left things and coil pack.
I'll have all the wiring in the back of motor instead of that big fat clump of wires going over the intake all wadded up. Should be alot cleaner.
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You should've gotten 99+ AERO rails. They fit like a glove. Why did you pick up the 96-98 rails ? It doesn't matter which ones you get if you're going with external AFR (returnless or not).

Another option is to adapt 2nd gen fuel rails to your car. Just as easy as a lot cheaper than all that aftermarket stuff. I've done it on the 03+ eaton intake, and it looks entirely stock.
 
yeah ill have to call Aeromotive tommorow

yeah ill have to call Aeromotive tommorow

Mad1stGen said:
You should've gotten 99+ AERO rails. They fit like a glove. Why did you pick up the 96-98 rails ? It doesn't matter which ones you get if you're going with external AFR (returnless or not).

Another option is to adapt 2nd gen fuel rails to your car. Just as easy as a lot cheaper than all that aftermarket stuff. I've done it on the 03+ eaton intake, and it looks entirely stock.
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I'll have to call Aeromotive tommorow and get the 99 and up brackets. I assume the rails will be the same, just the brackets dont fit right. They unscrew from the bottom of rail. I'll just buy those. I ordered the kit cause i got sick of looking at my pieced together old fuel setup. It worked, but looked terrible. Now i'll have nice rails and lines and fittings. The wiring harness will be mostly stealth also comming from the back of engine.
 
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